Monday, January 30, 2006

The Vichy 19. Do Any Of These Have A Really Good Excuse? I'm Really Asking.

The 19 Democrats who voted against the filibuster were: Daniel Akaka (Hawaii), Max Baucus (Mont), Jeff Bingaman (N.M.), Robert Byrd (W. Va.), Maria Cantwell (Wash.), Thomas Carper (Del.), Kent Conrad (N.D.), Byron Dorgan (N.D.), Daniel Inouye (Hawaii), Tim Johnson (S.D.), Herb Kohl (Wis.), Mary Landrieu (La.), Joseph Lieberman (Conn.), Blanche Lincoln (Ark.), Bill Nelson (Fla.), Ben Nelson (Neb.), Mark Pryor (Ark.), John D. Rockefeller (W. Va.) and Ken Salazar (Colo.).

14 comments:

Jal said...

Maybe the fact that never in U.S. history has the Senate filibustered a SCOTUS nominee that enjoiyed majority support?

Just a thought.

Jal said...

Oh, here's another excuse: someday there will be a Democratic president again, and he/she will nominate a person for associate justice.

You really could ask your average high school civics student. Maybe you should.

CLB said...

Is it 18 or 19? Bob Fertik is saying 18...?

Thersites D. Scott said...

19, as I read it. I'm still trying to get the whole roll call.

Thersites D. Scott said...

clb:

I've got Kent Conrad on my list... could be that I'm wrong, I just lifted it off a news site in the absence of an official roll call.

Redzilla said...

I can tell you Bill Nelson's reason: he wants to run for governor after Jeb Bush's term limit is up. Perhaps he thinks he'll get more votes if he toes the line of the Joe Lieberman crowd.

Oh, and Jal, I thought the whole point of nominating conservative executive power types to the Supreme Court was designed to prevent any future Democratic Presidents. Wasn't that how 2000 panned out?

Hope you guys keep publishing this blog--the traitor Dems need to stay outed.

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Jal said...

Quoting redzilla...

"...I thought the whole point of nominating conservative executive power types to the Supreme Court was designed to prevent any future Democratic Presidents. Wasn't that how 2000 panned out?"

Was that supposed to be an insult? You betray your own knee-jerk bias with that comment. What serious Republican has ever said anything like that? Only liberals think the courts control (or ought to control) society. Check the Constitution, please; legislatures make the laws, not judges.

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Barry Ragin said...

Was that supposed to be an insult? You betray your own knee-jerk bias with that comment. What serious Republican has ever said anything like that? Only liberals think the courts control (or ought to control) society. Check the Constitution, please; legislatures make the laws, not judges.

What serious Republican has said anything that resembles their de facto agenda of establishing a "unitary executive", free to make new laws and ignore existing laws at whim? The constitution? How quaint.

SergeiRostov said...

Jal said...
Maybe the fact that never in U.S. history has the Senate filibustered a SCOTUS nominee that enjoiyed majority support?


So because something has never happened, that means that it
should never happen?


I shouldn't be surprised you think this way, since that's actually the definition of "conservative".

(Incidentally, this is why, historically, conservatives always lose in the end: in a changing universe (such as the one we all live in), that which does not change eventually fails.)

Jal said...
Oh, here's another excuse: someday there will be a Democratic president again, and he/she will nominate a person for associate justice.


So you really think that the Republicans would not do something simply because the Democrats wouldn't do it when they were in their place? That contention not only has zero basis in fact, it has a host of examples against it:
- physically assaulting a fellow legislator on the floor of Congress (Rep.Bob Dornan (R));
- threatening the life of a sitting President (Sen.Jesse Helms (R));
- comitting an act of treason (Pres. Ronald Reagan and V.P. GHW Bush re Iran Contra)

and that's just for starters.


SR

SergeiRostov said...

Jal said...

Only liberals think the courts control (or ought to control) society. Check the Constitution, please; legislatures make the laws, not judges.


Check it yourself: the courts determine how the laws should be interpreted and implemented (or if they should exist at all). The courts are the final arbiter of the law, and therefore they DO "control" society.

SR

SergeiRostov said...

Jal said...

You really could ask your average high school civics student. Maybe you should.


I would, except that due to
the "No Child Left Behind Act" - and it's underfunding - high schools can no longer afford to teach civics classes.


SR

Randwolfe said...

I don't believe they have any good excuses other than their own political survival. Thought: we know that the Bush administration has been spying on their own people, on democratic rivals, on us, on corporations, and even on some enemies of the state. I imagine that they have dirt on a lot of people. This is pure speculation, but how would you vote if you were presented with damning proof of some indescretion in your past? They have some significant technique for keeping the republicans members toeing the line, and I do not doubt that some dem members have been essentially blackmailed.

One last thing, I didn't find this out until about two minutes before the cloture vote, but all of the senators met one on one with Alito yesterday. I found out when I called my senator's office, and the staffer told me that Cantwell had literally just come out of a meeting with Alito before the vote. I'm sure he charmed a lot of the senators into voting for him.