tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21506744.post114315128820379828..comments2023-10-20T03:14:04.776-07:00Comments on Vichy Democrats: Another Vichy? Please Help DecideM.S. Bellows, Jr.http://www.blogger.com/profile/05329189103861162611noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21506744.post-1143410964052543052006-03-26T14:09:00.000-08:002006-03-26T14:09:00.000-08:00Marcy Winograd, who also happens to be president o...Marcy Winograd, who also happens to be president of Progressive Democrats of America, has been endorsed by that group. To read PDA's reasons for its endorsement, go to pdamerica.org and click on "endorsements".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21506744.post-1143239213834274582006-03-24T14:26:00.000-08:002006-03-24T14:26:00.000-08:00Jane Harmon is a classic DINO. About 8 years ago s...Jane Harmon is a classic DINO. About 8 years ago she left congress to run for governor. In that race she was a virtual republican. Her record in congress,both before and after this, has been extremely spotty. She has been on the In telligence Committe for sometime and has never taken a stand against Bushite activity. She has been an ouspoken supporter of the Iraq fiasco and the Patriot Act.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21506744.post-1143234221428921182006-03-24T13:03:00.000-08:002006-03-24T13:03:00.000-08:00Please list the "relatively liberal Democrats who ...<I>Please list the "relatively liberal Democrats who have done harm to the Democratic Party." Give us their names and what they did, and the consequential harm that ensued.</I><BR/><BR/>Lucretia: I'm tempted, at least, to cite Hillary. As you pointed out in another thread, as President she likely would mellow. And when she's not angling for the Presidency (e.g. her Iraq war vote and flag-burning bill), her views are generally pretty liberal: she's pro-environment, pro-national health care, pro-social services, etc.<BR/><BR/>But those views don't make her a good Democrat in my book, because via the DLC she's putting election above principle, shutting others out of the game, and compromising her principles on symbolic votes.<BR/><BR/>If Harry Reid would get with the program and show some leadership on things like the Alito filibuster and the Feingold censure, then I'd support him even though he's a "conservative" pro-life Mormon. And even though Hillary thinks like me on most issues, I don't support her, because she's fighting against the best interests of the party in so many ways. That's all I'm saying.<BR/><BR/>More generally: you sound angry today. Whazzup?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21506744.post-1143233025773931272006-03-24T12:43:00.000-08:002006-03-24T12:43:00.000-08:00To stay elected does she have to go so far to plea...<I>To stay elected does she have to go so far to please that auful southern California district?</I><BR/><BR/>From what Patrick says, the district has been redrawn, and is now solidly Democratic. <BR/><BR/>One question I have is how she functions within the party. On really close votes, will she abide by party discipline? In other words, is she an enabler, or merely a conservative?<BR/><BR/>Not that that decides the issue by itself, but it's one of the things I like to look at.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21506744.post-1143155180482930782006-03-23T15:06:00.000-08:002006-03-23T15:06:00.000-08:00Patrick Meighan, here.First of all, lemme say, I d...Patrick Meighan, here.<BR/><BR/>First of all, lemme say, I don't even happen to be a Democrat. I'm a registered Green and, as such, am unable to vote in this primary, which will almost certainly determine who my congressperson will be for the next two years. I have no special interest in promoting the interests of the Democratic Party, as compared to any other political party. My interest lies solely in being represented by a congressperson (regardless of his/her party registration) who happens to reflect my progressive values, and those of my family and my community (Venice, CA).<BR/><BR/>That said, lemme tell any Democrats reading this that Jane Harman, in 1998, referred to herself as "the best Republican in the Democratic Party." She does not deny this. Jane Harman is an official member of the Blue Dog Democrats, a coalition of self-described "conservatives." Jane Harman is one of the few Blue Dog Democrats who is not from the Deep South. Jane Harman voted for (and continues to support) the war in Iraq and the Patriot Act. And, as mentioned above, Jane Harman is an active and key Democratic supporter of President Bush's warrantless spying program. 6 of Jane Harman's top 7 campaign contributors are Defense Contractors.<BR/><BR/>All these things may have made sense back when Congressperson Harman originally represented the 36th district (1993-1999). But since then the district has been gerrymandered to make the 36th a gaudily-safe Democratic seat. This gerrymander specifically removed the rich, conservative enclave of Palos Verdes from the district. At the same time, it expanded the district to include the ultra-liberal community of Venice, and the quite-liberal communities of Mar Vista and West L.A. As noted above, Kerry trounced Bush in this new district, 60-40. And, as noted above, Harman's last GOP challenge was a token one, in the form of an unfunded schoolteacher without even the most rudimentary campaign experience, who ran to the *left* of Jane Harman on several issues. Make no mistake: the 36th IS LIBERAL.<BR/><BR/>Jane Harman, however, continues to legislate as though she still represents the *old* 36th District. When I called her office last year to complain about her support for a constitutional amendment to bar flag burning, I noted to the phone-answerer that I'd expect such representation if I lived in Ogden, UT, or Pocatello, ID, but that it's confusing given my residence in Venice, CA. The phone-answerer responded, "Well, she also represents El Segundo." Indeed, Jane Harman clearly feels a much greater affinity for the more conservative (and lower-populated) vestiges of her old district than she does for the more progressive (and higher-populated) centers of her new district. It's time to remove Jane Harman from Congress and let her return to the tiny conservative bedroom neighborhoods for which she feels such affinity.<BR/><BR/>Harman's opponent, Marcy Winograd happens to be the President of L.A.'s chapter of Progressive Democrats of America. She supports single-payer health care, opposes capitol punishment, will vote to remove the troops from Iraq immediately, will vote to impeach the President, and is endorsed by Tom Hayden, by Gore Vidal, by Helen Caldicott, by many others. <BR/><BR/>Marcy is getting into this race a little late, and some unions and clubs have already rendered pro forma endorsements of Jane Harman. In three cases, already, Marcy Winograd has met with representatives of said organizations to urge a revocation of their Harman endorsement, and an endorsement of the Winograd campaign. In all three cases (the UAW, the UTLA, the Westminster Democratic Club) the organizations have, in fact, pulled their endorsements of Harman and endorsed Marcy instead. And she's just getting started!<BR/><BR/>This can be done, folks! 19,000 Democratic votes on primary day (June 6th, I believe) will do it. And it will send an unmistakeable message to every other "Vichy Democrat" in Congress: fight for our progressive values, or we will replace you with someone who will.<BR/><BR/>I hope you climb on board this campaign.<BR/><BR/>Patrick Meighan<BR/>Venice, CA<BR/>Volunteer for Winograd for Congress<BR/><BR/>see also: www.gomarcygo.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com